Monday, November 07, 2005

The Immigration Debate

There are a lot of issues that we have to come to grips with as a country:

Ultimately, the immigration debate is also an ethical debate, and as such, it raises hard questions that cannot be answered by appeals to economic calculation, human rights legislation or sentiments of nationalism alone. Difficult as it may be to think in terms of "valuable" versus "valueless" immigrants, or to distinguish between the free circulation of information and the free circulation of individuals, the growing political clamor over immigration will force us to think hard about such questions, and perhaps sooner than we expect.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Difficult as it may be to think in terms of "valuable" versus "valueless" immigrants, "

I have no difficulty thinking in those terms. The only objective of our immigration policy should be to make life better for our current citizens.

To the extent that immigrants contribute more to our treasury then they consume, we should look favorably on them. This is seldom the case for the poor and the ignorant from the third world who are almost always net consumers of tax dollars. We won't make life better for Americans by importing poverty.

I favor a point system where people get points for educational attainment, speaking English, having family members in America, having skills, being young and having capital. People should lose points for being old, having to many children that will be an immediate burden on taxpayers, having very low educational attainment and probably other things.

11/08/2005 12:54 PM  
Blogger La Ventanita said...

I don't know about this point system that penalizes them for having kids, that's a cultural difference and some of them my not be a burden to the state; although I like the idea of rewarding them for educational attainment and professional development. I do agree that they should contribute to the nations economy not only in labor but also in dollars. To many dollars go into "remesas" (think western union) that help support the economies of central america (35% in el salvador for example). Some of that money should stay here.

11/08/2005 1:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Each one of those kids costs the taxpayers about $8000 per year or $104,000 for a 13 year K-12 education. An immigrant who brings 4 kids costs the taxpayers $32,000 per year. Very few immigrants are going to contribute enough to the treasury to compensate taxpayers for that burden.

But worse, a lot of those kids are English as a second language students. These students consume far more resources then native English speakers and that means there are less resources for the children of native citizens. Rather than helping Americans, we end up compromising the education of their children.

I think it is entirely appropriate to deduct points from immigrants that bring lots of children and even more points if those kids don't speak English.

11/08/2005 5:03 PM  
Blogger Tired Immigrant said...

The main objective of government policy is not "to make life better for our current citizens". That is the socialist premise.

The premise on which the U.S.A. was founded is the premise of individual rights. Under this premise, the objective of government policy is to protect individuals from force in order to allow them to "pursue happiness".

Hard working citizens have much more to gain from hard working foreigners than from domestic moochers. The American political premise protects their right to deal with these people as free men. The socialist premise instead forces them to deal with people agsints their own reasoned interests. It also forces them to support domestic moochers.

11/13/2005 7:37 AM  

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