Monday, May 08, 2006


From the Birmingham News (2nd item):

A Ku Klux Klan anti-immigration rally Saturday in this northwest Alabama city drew a crowd of more than 300 supporters and counter protesters...

At the rally, marchers yelled anti-immigration slogans such as "Send them back." One robed woman held a sign saying "Remember the Alamo, Stop Invasion Now, Save America..."

Ray Larsen, imperial wizard of the National Knights of the Ku Klux Klan from South Bend, Ind., told the crowd on a megaphone that illegal immigrants are in America to take jobs. "They want to take all jobs," he said.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

Isn't that special!?!

I didn't realize there were 300 KKK members left in the whole country.

The backlash continues! I really resent being lumped in with the lawbreakers.

5/08/2006 2:11 PM  
Blogger HispaniCon said...

Anonymous: Do you resent the fact that the KKK is using arguments similar to yours to oppose legalization of immigrants? You may be lumped in with law breakers, but you are also being lumped in with bigots.

5/09/2006 1:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The KKK to my knowledge was silent on this issue until Hispanics started demanding special treatment and acting like a disgusting racial victims group instead of what they really are which is a bunch of illegal gatecrashers. If the KKK were saying anything before these marches they were being totally ignored by all. The marches have given them relevancy.

Which exactly of my arguments is bigotted?

My usual argument is that it is not good for America to import poor ignorant people from the third world because it depresses wages for America's own poor and because middleclass taxpayers get stuck with the tax burden of subsidizing them. The only ones that benefit are the immigrants and the rich who get richer on the subsidized cheap labor. That is an economic argument which I have frequently documented here. How is that bigotted?

I also often make arguments based on the rule of law and the fact that illegal immigrants have violated not just our borders and our immigration laws but have proceeded to break every other law that stands between them and a better life such as employment laws, identity fraud and identity theft, tax evasion, driving laws, etc. The fact that the illegals have broken numerous laws is indisputable and it can hardly be bigotted to point out that blaring fact. I also don't believe it is bigotted to argue that people who don't respect our laws should never be allowed to become voting citizens and I don't care what ethnicity or race they come from.

I occassionally also note in response to the many articles you post that prove the same that Hispanic immigrants come from a long history of destructive leftest populism and that if they are allowed to vote here that we will likely see that tradition repeated. As a conservative I can't image that creating millions of new leftest voters will serve my agenda.

I'm happy to discuss your charges of bigotry with you. Please point to some specific examples from my posts.

Otherwise, I'll just assume that it was a cheap leftest debating tactic designed to stifle and silence dissenting views. I remember the not too distant day when conservatives used to say that when you saw somebody resort to the race card it was a sure sign that you were talking to a liberal that lacked a rational argument. But it has gotten increasingly common on our side of the aisle lately. Similar charges were thrown over the Harriet Miers nomination and the Dubai Ports World Deal and the Minutement and over and over again regarding the Bush Shamnesty.

I can't imagine you want me to be silent as it seems I am the only one who regularly looks at this blog. But maybe you do and if you tell me to go away I'll respect that.

5/09/2006 2:12 PM  
Blogger HispaniCon said...

Anonymous: You misunderstood me. I did not say you are a bigot. I said that you may be lumped together with the KKK bigots because you make similar arguments.
You have made legitimate arguments in your posts, and sometimes you have used rhetorical tactics that expose you to charges of insensitivity. For example, you always refer to immigrants as poor, ignorant, criminal leftists. You must know that those are the type of generalizations that make you sound prejudicial. You are making blanket statements about a huge group of people knowing full well that a lot of what you say does not apply. There are many well-educated immigrants who have done very well here and love capitalist America and whose only crime is that they don't have work papers. Besides, being poor or lacking a college degree should not disqualify someone from attaining legal status in this country. If we used those criteria for prior generations of immigrants, this country would not have benefited from the contributions of immigrants in the past. This generation of immigrants may not be able to contribute as much as their children will.
I don't think you are a bigot, but I think you sometimes use exaggerated methods of argument that make you sound like one.

5/10/2006 11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There are many well-educated immigrants who have done very well here and love capitalist America and whose only crime is that they don't have work papers.

Apparently they don't love it enough to show respect for our laws that were democratically enacted by the representatives of our citizens. And it is almost impossible to be here and do well economically without committing further crimes such as document fraud which is a felony.

Besides, being poor or lacking a college degree should not disqualify someone from attaining legal status in this country.

And it fact it does not. Our legal immigration system allows for about 5000 visas annually for unskilled workers.

Again this was a law that was enacted by the duly elected representatives of our citizenry. You may feel this number is too low. I think it is too high. Unskilled workers are far more likely to burden taxpayers then highly educated immigrants. I have no problem with you or anyone else trying to get the law changed in the proper manner. But in the meantime, it should be respected and those who violate it should be punished. The punishment for violating our immigration laws is typically deportation and being barred from entry for 10 years.

If we reward people who violate our laws by giving them exactly what they wanted and shaft the people who are patiently waiting and trying to follow our laws it sends a very bad message. As a conservative I would expect you to understand that.

We live in one of the greatest countries the world has ever known and one of the reasons it is great is that our citizens, through their representatives are able to determine their own laws and chart their destiny. You seem to think that it is forgiveable for people to willy nilly break those laws without consequence. That is an extremely corrosive way of thinking and is hardly conservative.

5/10/2006 11:44 AM  

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